Spar mine 23rd October

[mike leahy]

Budgie is taking a group of scouts found the spa mine at 6.30snd could do with a hand.

[shan keaney]

I can't sorry

[Gregory Collins]

Dunno if I can make that one, will be along for Thursday the 25th though.

[Doug Thompson]

I should be able to attend, may need reminding.

[Jodie Colk]

Is this down Hendre Spa? I should be able to help out

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[mick murphy]

I will help with this one Budge I will go early and rig all the pitches for life lineing so when you arrive just rig
 them up . Mick

[Steven Tate]

If any thing I can do would like to come along and help. Off most Tuesdays and will make shore I get this one.

[Stephen Davies]

I would like to but unfortunately I am on the later shift Monday and Tuesday.

[mick murphy]

as Budgies e-mail and phone number are not on our contacts list I have no way of getting in touch, I need to know will these scouts have harnesses and cows tails or load bearing belts I need to know so that I can put the right
rigging in place, if some one can send me either I would be grateful, mick

[mike leahy]

No such thing as a load bearing belt

[mick murphy]

that's were you are wrong

4.
 
Load Bearing Belt
 Each members
of the party should be equipped with a
load bearing or belay belt. Not only is the
 belt able to support body weight for a
short period of time but it can also be
easily converted into a simple and effective seat harness which is suitable for
climbing ladder pitches and emergency hoists (see section on improvised
harnesses).
5.
 
A rope must not be tied dirrectly to a load bearing belt. The belt is
designed to have the load spread evenly across the whole width of the webbing.
If the rope is tied dirrectly to the belt it can put all the load onto the thin edge of
the webbing, which could cause it to fail. The prefered method is to have a "D"
ring or a delta/semicircular maillon permanently threaded onto the belt and
either attach the rope directly to the maillon or via a karabiner. It is acceptable
to clip a large karabiner directly to the belt, however care must be taken to
 prevent loading the karabiner across its gate.

[Anthony Britner]

source please

[mick murphy]

type in rappel belts, used by emergency services, armed forces, and can be used for emergency absail but
we use them for belaying up or down when climbing ladders needs 7,000 lbs to break it

[Tim Watts]

i don't want to get into debate about load bearing belts or not.

But one thing for 100% certain i'd disagree with it the idea that it is 'acceptable' to use a karabiner directly on a belt as that texts suggests may be done. Its almost guaranteed to cross load in the event of a fall and break the gate.

If anyone's thinking of using a belt for hanging on (i've abseiled a proper free hanging pitch on one once out of 'necessity' (stupidity) when doing the Ogof Draenen round trip and it was actually not too uncomfortable - and that by the way is NOT a recommendation) please use a mailion of some sort - d ring is ideal - or as said - tie in directly.

[shan keaney]

They're Scouts, Bear Grylls won't mind what you do!!!