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Cave and Mine Exploring => Caves => Topic started by: Ian A on Mar 16, 2022, 12:01 PM

Title: Would you?
Post by: Ian A on Mar 16, 2022, 12:01 PM


Pinched that photo from Facebook. It's a cave in Belgium. When I saw it, it took me a nano second to decide I probably never would go in there and only a full second to reason out why ....
Title: Would you?
Post by: Tom Howard on Mar 16, 2022, 12:28 PM
I feel I should say no, but I can't find a reason in that photo not to..
Title: Would you?
Post by: mike leahy on Mar 16, 2022, 12:51 PM
All need is a good pair of knee pads
Title: Would you?
Post by: Ian A on Mar 16, 2022, 01:08 PM
Nothing to do with knees ....

Tom's inner self seems to be locking onto the reason ....
Title: Would you?
Post by: Gareth Stonely on Mar 16, 2022, 02:09 PM
Is it because it's a dry streamway or because batman took the photo
Title: Would you?
Post by: Ian A on Mar 16, 2022, 02:31 PM
What is it about the streamway ?    :dry:
Title: Would you?
Post by: Tom Howard on Mar 16, 2022, 03:01 PM
Is it because you're unlikely to visit Belgium and cave? Especially if it's a crawling job..
Title: Would you?
Post by: Gareth Stonely on Mar 16, 2022, 03:01 PM
There's no water when this photo was taken
Title: Would you?
Post by: Ian A on Mar 16, 2022, 03:05 PM
The "problem" would exist for all of us in equal measure.

The fact that there is no water there is a factor ....

so, would "you" be comfortable going through there? (you shouldn't be)
Title: Would you?
Post by: Ian A on Mar 16, 2022, 03:06 PM
I will just spit it out if you like  :whistle:  :whistle:  :whistle:
Title: Would you?
Post by: Anthony Britner on Mar 16, 2022, 07:49 PM
If I had to guess, which i don't have to it's probably got somthing to so with the erosion on the walls, suggestive of turbulence and therefore sudden and rapid flow of water perhaps.
Title: Would you?
Post by: Ian A on Mar 16, 2022, 07:54 PM
Very close Ant.

So, the first thing is that it is a streamway.

Then you notice that the pebbles are wet. So it is an ACTIVE streamway

Then you notice the SIZE of the pebbles - that's a fair old flow/speed of water

Then you notice there is NO tidemark so the rascal clearly FILLS up

If you are in there when it decides to take water, I think you're goosed.

So, I wouldn't go in.
Title: Would you?
Post by: mike leahy on Mar 16, 2022, 08:40 PM
or the water never leaves the pebbled area(the dark area). the rocks in poachers are bigger ,just saying :dry:  :dry:
Title: Would you?
Post by: Ian A on Mar 16, 2022, 08:43 PM
Such a small, weak flow could not have caused them to move to their resting places and there is no tide mark ....